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Origins of Andrew Goodwin

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The English origins of Andrew Goodwin are currently unknown. Until recently there were only two notable attempts to reconstruct his family. The first was by Judy Summers, a Goodwin descendant and researcher, who documented in The Kildare Carrolls of Circular Head that Andrew’s parents were John and Mary Goodwin. Unfortunately no such birth or baptism registration has been found, and Judy had no corroborating evidence to support this assertion.1

The second was by Dorothy Walker, another Goodwin descendant, who made a scan of the indexes available for the period of Andrew’s projected birth range, and who believed the family of Samuel Goodwin and Mary Wallner might represent Andrew’s parents. They were married on 9 November 1765 in Leek, Staffordshire, England.2 They had six children, all christened at Hole House, Leek, Stafford as follows: Mary GOODWIN: chr 22 Feb 1766, Andrew GOODWIN: chr 4 Jan 1767, Ruth GOODWIN: chr 18 Nov 1770, Samuel GOODWIN: chr 9 Jan 1771, William GOODWIN: chr 22 Mar 1772, Hannah GOODWIN: chr 3 Feb 1773.3 Only Mary and Andrew of the children’s names were used in Andrew’s later family however, and Leek, Staffordshire is quite a way from London. There is no corroborating evidence to support linking to this family. The indexes are incomplete and those entries that have been recorded refer to original material that has more detail but that has still not been sighted.

A further claim, without linking to an ancestral family, claimed a potential relationship between Andrew Goodwin and Edward Goodwin, his fellow first fleeter and co-habitant on the convict transport the Scarborough:

We have a document in the Goodin Line where Olivia and Nathaniel's great grand daughter (mother Matha Lucas (daughter of William) lived with Olivia), Mary Jane Goodin (Mrs. Lucas), mentioned that her father (William Goodin) had an "Uncle Andrew". William's father, first fleeter, Edward Goodin, certainly did have a brother named Andrew. The births of both Edward and Andrew were recorded the London Lying in Hospital to the same parents, Edward Goodin and Mary Savage (Servige). Some researchers have believed that first fleeter, Andrew Goodwin, alias Goodin, was this person. They were of the same age. However, Mary Jane, who was my great grandfather's sister, said that Uncle Andrew was a sea Captain. The first fleeter was a farmer.4

Just recently, in support of that latter claim, baptism records for an Andrew and an Edward Goodwin to the same parents have been revealed in the records of the London Metropolitan Archives. The parents, William Goodwin and Mary Hood, were married in St. Andrew's in Holborn on 19 July 1762. Both were recorded as "of this parish" and could sign their names. Thomas Taylor was the curate who performed the service, and William Hood and George Brown were witnesses.5 Their known children were Andrew Goodin, baptised 16 September 1764, Edward Goodin, baptised 14 December 1765, and Robert Goodin, baptised 3 April 1768, all at St. Mary's, Islington to William and Margaret Goodin.6

William and Margaret are an excellent match as the parents for both Andrew and Edward, the later convicts. The two men's ages match the baptism records within reasonable limits, and their crimes were committed in the Islington-Holborn area. The surname Goodin also explains the many apparent misspellings of the men's surnames once they entered the justice system, and for their subsequent children in the colonies. If the later convicts were the children of William and Margaret, it must have been a source of considerable anguish to their parents that both sons had been transported to the antipodes. There are additional factors that do not support the links however. William and Margaret Goodin could write, and so were presumably educated. What caused their children to become petty criminals? If Andrew and Edward were related, why did they apparently cease any association once they were in the colonies?

At this point we don't have answers to these questions. Beyond this tentative association there is little more detail. From this point on we can will have to move away from conjecture and begin to tell the historical story, starting with the known details of Andrew's life, his trial.

  • 1. Summers, Judy: The Kildare Carrolls of Circular Head; Privately Published. 2002 and Email Correspondence to John Horton, 1998
  • 2. IGI Batch No. F449764 and A457988 and 7710822
  • 3. IGI Batch No. 7511826 and F449764
  • 4. Donohoe, James: Nathaniel Lucas & Olivia Gascoigne http://www.jdark.linkt.com.au/ Viewed 18 May 2010
  • 5. Ancestry.com. London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921; Original data: Church of England Parish Registers, 1754-1921. London Metropolitan Archives, London, England.
  • 6. Ancestry.com. London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812; Original data: Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1812. London Metropolitan Archives, London, England.
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Edward Goodwin

Submitted by John Horton on Sat, 23/02/2013 - 1:44pm

Edward Goodwin has been linked as the child of a number of couples:

  • Edward Goodin and Ann Sargey1
  • John Goodwin and Elizabeth Baldwin2

The Trial of Edward Goodwin:

448. EDWARD GOODWIN and THOMAS WILKIN were indicted for feloniously stealing, on the 24th of April , one piece of woollen cloth, containing six yards and a half, value 50 s. one other piece, containing six yards and a half, value 50 s. the property of William Mawhood .

THOMAS BURLAND sworn.

On Saturday noon, as I was walking along I saw Wilkins walking in the street, he came out of the prosecutor's shop; he walked a little way before me, it was about eleven, or between eleven and twelve; he walked about two doors from the gentleman's house, and two men joined him, the other prisoner, and one that is not here; when I came even with them, they were conversing together, and when I came close to them, I heard the short one, Wilkins, say, he is coming out presently; the next witness, who was just behind me, heard them say, he is coming out presently; we went back and watched them, and I saw Wilkins come out of the door, and in a little time Goodwin went into the shop, with this parcel of cloth under his arm, I followed and held him, and called the next witness to secure the others; he was detained in the shop.

William Brooksbank deposed to the same effect.

The prisoner Wilkins called two witnesses to his character.

EDWARD GOODWIN , THOMAS WILKIN ,

GUILTY .
Transported seven years .
Tried by the second London Jury, before Mr. RECORDER.3

The following information is available on the Rootsweb WorldConnect website about Edward Goodwin, although not referenced:

Edward Goodwin, with a companion, was sentenced at the Old Bailey to seven years transportation on 21 April 1784 for theft of two pieces of woollen cloth six and a half yards each. Both young men had been observed watching the shop and waiting before entering, and coming out immediately carrying a parcel. A suspicious conversation between Goodwin's companion and another man was overheard. Goodwin was received on the Censor hulk on 6 September, aged 19, and sent to Portsmouth by wagon on 24 February 1787, embarking on Scarborough three days later.

At Port Jackson on 24 October 1789 Goodwin was found guilty of playing cards with John Pettit (qv) at 2 am. Because they were first offenders, the punishment was limited to 50 lashes. On 27 December 1790 Goowin married Ann Thomas (Lady Juliana, age given as 22 on 1789 embarkation list). A son born a year later and baptised James on 25 December 1791 lived for only a year. A second son born just before the elder boy died was baptised Edward on 25 November 1792. A daughter ary followed in April 1794, a second James was born in August 1795.

In 1800 Goodwin was sworn a constable at Kissing Point where he was now a landholder. He owned three pigs and three sheep and had six acres sown in wheat with five acres ready for planting maize; with his wife and one child (possibly an error) he was listed as on stores. Two years later he was recorded holding a 60 acre farm by purchase with 11 acres sown in wheat and seven ready for maize, owning 14 sheep and four hogs, he held one bushel of wheat and 20 bushels of maize in store. He, his wife and three children were off stores, supporting themselves from their own produce.

By 1806 he had moved more strongly into sheep farming: his 60 acres were divided into 15 for grain, one and a half orchard and garden, 15 fallow and 28 for the 56 sheep he was running. He had one female goat, three hogs and held 27 bushels of grain. By now the Goodwins had five children, all were off stores, and Goodwin employed and supported a convict labourer. Two more children were born 1810 and 1814. At 1828 Goodwin was 66 years old, still holding 60 acres at Kissing Point, and Ann was with him aged 52. The couple had at least 13 children, some dying in infancy: James (1791-1792), Edward (1792), Mary (1794), James (1795), Margaret (1797), Edward (1800), Elizabeth (1804), John (1805), Margaret (1806), Robert (1807), Mary Ann (1810), William (1812) and Sarah (1814).

Goodwin's wife died in 1830, age given as 61. Goodwin himself died at Hunter's Hill and was buried on 8 January 1839, age said to be 77.4

  • 1. http://www.australian-english-genealogy.com/scarborough.html
  • 2. http://records.ancestry.com/Edward_Goodwin_records.ashx?pid=35833788
  • 3. Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 6.0, 17 April 2011), 21 April 1784, trial of Edward Goodwin (t17840421-73).
  • 4. Docksey, Judy: WC; http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3131348&id=I35 Viewed 18 May 2010
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